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Post by Oka Ace on Sept 18, 2009 0:05:18 GMT -5
Who do you think would win in the Manga right now? And yes both Kuronos fighting him at the same time. I still think Host Samurai gots this.
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Post by Sykee on Sept 18, 2009 1:26:00 GMT -5
Well..he IS a vampire which is SO unfair. o3o
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Post by Oka Ace on Sept 18, 2009 2:38:00 GMT -5
But it's 2 vs 1. And the Kuronos have suits.
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Post by Fay on Sept 18, 2009 21:21:39 GMT -5
lol. Fuck that. Two Kurono's win. That's just two (too) much for him to handle at once. Unless he used someone Kurono cares about as a shield or something.
Well, to be honest, there's a small possibility that the vamp will win against both Kurono's (there always is when thinking realistically with match ups like these), however, small is small.
1 on 1, then I would have to say the vampire wins (or has a better chance of winning going by the previous logic). It also depends on the weapons that Kurono has as well. Such as the H-gun.
Not to mention both of the Kurono's are in their peak of badassness when regarding their mindset:
"Fight till the end, never give up! Humans can survive upon their own abilities! Fuck god AND the devil!"
I mean, that's just beast logic right there.
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Post by Oka Ace on Sept 20, 2009 1:36:54 GMT -5
Well Hikawa was able to beat some high level Aliens in Osaka and got a hit in on Nuri. He hsant lost a battle man. Neva. The two kuronos would give him a run for his money. (I actually thought this was the fairest matchup I could think of). But eventually he would catch one, they would have to work as a team and attack from the front and back. Or else it would go like this. He didnt look like he was trying there either. Oku made Hikawa overpowered. Without really giving him anything but vampire powers and a sword. And he excells at it.
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Post by Fay on Sept 20, 2009 9:57:24 GMT -5
lol. He eventually MIGHT catch one of the Kurono's. That is, only if they don't get his ass first (which is the more likely chance). And remember, they can both take hits from his sword before the suit actually fails. Same goes with any guns he uses. So even if he "catches" them, it doesn't mean the fights over.
I don't think he is overpowered, though. I just think he has great swordsmanship and reflexes. Also, Kurono and Kurono, will either be using the Gantz swords or guns (or both at the same time). In that picture, Kato and Kaze were just swinging their fists at him. And they both swung it at the same exact area. So it is understandable that he could dodge.
I'm positive that Izumi could have injured the vamp greatly even with his suit broken. And Kurono was able to practically go head to head with the Oni alien who of which, practically completely won against Izumi. And this is two Kurono's we are talking about. I mean, Kurono was able to keep from getting touched at all (aside from that last wind blast) while still being in the middle of all the action during the Italy mish against those amazingly strong statues. Not even touched. Which is evidence that his speed and reflexes have increased substantially from when he first used the suit.
Now, if the vamp put on the Gantz suit, then he would be very overpowered. And probably be able to take on even Oka in his advanced suit. Probably.
All I'm saying is:
Two Kurono's > or = Hikawa.
Kurono < or = Hikawa
Those are the most likely chances. Also, like I said, it depends on the weapons he has. Even one Kurono might be enough to give the vamp a run for his money. Though the vamp has the advantage of winning.
Two Kurono's most likely means victory. They have the better chance. But Hikawa might give them a run for their money.
So basically the roles changed.
With one Kurono, vamp has the advantage but Kurono might win. And with Two Kurono's, they have the advantage, but vamp might win.
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Post by Haloninjaman808 on Sept 20, 2009 14:21:13 GMT -5
Okay i Vote hikawa.
He can spawn several weapons, already giving gim an advantage over kurono #1. He then also has amazing reflexes, giving him an advantage over KUrono #2. Lastly, the kurono's powers of the suit are finite, and hikawa probably has an ace up his sleeve. He just uses is all natural power and can can kill one easlily.
Plus hikawa killed kuro0no once. And he can do it agian.
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Post by Kamina on Sept 21, 2009 2:09:08 GMT -5
I'm with Fayrra on the two Kuronos. Kurono has changed over all these missions. I'd put him up top near Okas level. He's not there yet. But I'm sure hes capable. And he was more concened with protecting Tae when he died. and his memory was wiped aswell.
But Hikwas the baddass of this manga, so who knows if he will ever be put down. To Kuronos may very well be able to do it.
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Post by Oka Ace on Sept 25, 2009 0:13:37 GMT -5
lol. He eventually MIGHT catch one of the Kurono's. That is, only if they don't get his ass first (which is the more likely chance). And remember, they can both take hits from his sword before the suit actually fails. Same goes with any guns he uses. So even if he "catches" them, it doesn't mean the fights over. Vampires have indurance aswell. Maybe just as strong as the gantz suit. Which is why Hikawa may refuse to wear one because he doesn't need it. Infact does Gantz even give him and KB one? If he doesnt then Gantz knows how strong vampires are too. I don't think he is overpowered, though. I just think he has great swordsmanship and reflexes. Also, Kurono and Kurono, will either be using the Gantz swords or guns (or both at the same time). In that picture, Kato and Kaze were just swinging their fists at him. And they both swung it at the same exact area. So it is understandable that he could dodge. True it was thier fists. But Katou and Kaze just finished watching Kei die. They were angry and that means they unlocked the suits power. And hikawa dodged the full weight of the suits power easily. I'm positive that Izumi could have injured the vamp greatly even with his suit broken. And Kurono was able to practically go head to head with the Oni alien who of which, practically completely won against Izumi. And this is two Kurono's we are talking about. I mean, Kurono was able to keep from getting touched at all (aside from that last wind blast) while still being in the middle of all the action during the Italy mish against those amazingly strong statues. Not even touched. Which is evidence that his speed and reflexes have increased substantially from when he first used the suit. Hikawa has been fighting Gantzers and possibly Aliens a hell of a lot longer than Kurono has. Infact he was friends with the Oni alien and the other Aliens in that mission. I wonder how that came to be? That the Oni Alien would suck up to Hikawa and take orders if that only meant Hikawa was a great deal stronger than Oni himself. Also we don't know if Izumi could have taken on Hikawa at full health. I mean after fighting hundreds of Vampires he faces the strongest last. It actually really bothers me that Host Samurai would waste so many men like that when he could have just dealt with Izumi himself.. i don't get the reasoning behind that actually. I still think Izumi would have been Done. Kurono has grown yes. But can he and his clone really take on the strongest, undefeated, leader of the Aliens and the vampires? I'm not so sure. Maybe one would have to sacrifice himself and take a severe hit while the other blindisdes Hikawa. I can see them fighting him and one of them going down. And at the end of the fight only one Kurono is standing. But not both of them living. That doesnt seem plossible to me. Now, if the vamp put on the Gantz suit, then he would be very overpowered. And probably be able to take on even Oka in his advanced suit. Probably. This goes with what i said above. Gantz either didn't give him a suit because he figured as Vampires, Host Samurai and Kill Bill didn't need them. Or they don't recieve suits because they didn't enter Gantz the natural way. By death. And maybe thats a prerequisite for recieving a suit. But I agree if this guy had a suit. He would be Oka level for sure. All I'm saying is: Two Kurono's > or = Hikawa. Kurono < or = Hikawa Those are the most likely chances. Also, like I said, it depends on the weapons he has. Even one Kurono might be enough to give the vamp a run for his money. Though the vamp has the advantage of winning. Two Kurono's most likely means victory. They have the better chance. But Hikawa might give them a run for their money. So basically the roles changed. With one Kurono, vamp has the advantage but Kurono might win. And with Two Kurono's, they have the advantage, but vamp might win. I beleive one on one Hikawa would destroy Kurono. But Kei would put up a fight. But if its 2 on 1. Hikawa has to worry a little bit. Thats where our opinions differ, Joker my friend.
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Post by Fay on Oct 1, 2009 16:33:25 GMT -5
Vampires have indurance aswell. Maybe just as strong as the gantz suit. Which is why Hikawa may refuse to wear one because he doesn't need it. No. The Gantz suits give stronger protection than any vamp will ever have on its own. The simple fact that the Gantz suit can take multiple shots from the X-gun yet if a vamp were to get shot even once it would blow a huge hole in his body proves that. In fact does Gantz even give him and KB one? If he doesnt then Gantz knows how strong vampires are too. I'm pretty sure that Gantz does make a suit for both. In fact, in chapter 238, Katou showed him the suitcase with the "host samurai" name on it. Implying that there was. True it was their fists. But Katou and Kaze just finished watching Kei die. They were angry and that means they unlocked the suits power. And hikawa dodged the full weight of the suits power easily. But like I said, they swung it in the exact same area. Even a normal human without the Gantz suit and with some technique and reflex would be able to dodge this so called "double attack." Hikawa has been fighting Gantzers and possibly Aliens a hell of a lot longer than Kurono has. Yeah, but we don't know exactly how strong those aliens/Gantzers that he fought were. As far as we know, he probably hasn't even encountered an advanced suit yet. And he's probably only faught against someone of the boss oni level at best. He hasn't shown us any reason to assume otherwise with his current display of abilities. In fact he was friends with the Oni alien and the other Aliens in that mission. I wonder how that came to be? That the Oni Alien would suck up to Hikawa and take orders if that only meant Hikawa was a great deal stronger than Oni himself. I don't really remember him taking orders from him or sucking up. Not only that, but the vamp even said himself "oh, if he's going then none of them will survive." He knew that he was really strong. So strong that he knew that even with Izumi there, the entire team would perish. Oni is much stronger than Vamp. He can move super fast (probably the fastest character shown in the series so far), control lighting blasts, and has tyrant strength. He's superior to Host samurai in pretty much every way. And why would they become friends, you ask? There's two logical reasons. No.1 they share the same goal. And No.2 the vamps probably don't want to start a war with the Oni's, and likewise the Oni's with the vamps. So it's only natural that they ally themselves. Also we don't know if Izumi could have taken on Hikawa at full health. I'm SURE that Izumi can take him on. Maybe not win for sure, but definitely take him on. When talking probabilities, In a Gantz suit, at full health, one on one, Izumi would most likely beat host samurai. Izumi was able to take on like, what was it, 3-5 vamp leaders at once? Which, of course, included the Host Samurai. I mean after fighting hundreds of Vampires he faces the strongest last. It actually really bothers me that Host Samurai would waste so many men like that when he could have just dealt with Izumi himself.. i don't get the reasoning behind that actually. I still think Izumi would have been Done. It's probably because he was scared that Izumi might actually kill him. He was probably using the "pawn" vampires to weaken Izumi down, and then went in after he was already tired. That was the reasoning behind it, anyways. It's not too far fetched either. Host even said that he only cares about himself. He probably would sacrifice every vamp in order to live and win. Kurono has grown yes. But can he and his clone really take on the strongest, undefeated, leader of the Aliens and the vampires? I'm not so sure. He is not the strongest leader of the aliens. Vamps, yeah. But not aliens. And yes, I'm quite sure that the two Kurono's will win. It's not definite, but a win almost never is. Even a fly might be able to kill a dragon if, let's say, he somehow got into the dragon's brain. But regardless, the chance that the Dragon will win is still high. I'm not saying the two Kurono's are the dragon, but they definitely have the more better chance in winning. Maybe one would have to sacrifice himself and take a severe hit while the other blindisdes Hikawa. I can see them fighting him and one of them going down. And at the end of the fight only one Kurono is standing. But not both of them living. That doesnt seem plossible to me. It's definitely possible, though, that both live. I personally see either one of them dying, or just both getting injured. But I agree if this guy had a suit. He would be Oka level for sure. I only think probably. The defense for the advanced suit is pretty strong. Even with the Gantz suit he might not be able to penetrate it. Not to mention that this is Oka he is fighting. Someone who is quite experienced in fighting with that suit. I think he can hold his own with Oka for a little while due to maybe his speed. But not win. Meaning he's only probably Oka's level due to the advantages that the advanced suit gives. I beleive one on one Hikawa would destroy Kurono. But Kei would put up a fight. lol. If Kei puts up a fight then that's not really what I would consider being destroyed in that sense. Because destroyed implies there was no kind of decent resistance at all. But like I said, Host has the greater chance of winning in this situation. And of course, it all depends on which weapons either side has. Any little detail can change the outcome.
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Post by Renan on Oct 1, 2009 16:45:37 GMT -5
The two Kurono's win simply because Ace is a fanboy.
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Post by empressofangels on Oct 3, 2009 11:50:09 GMT -5
The two Kurono's win simply because Ace is a fanboy. hmm.....
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Post by Haloninjaman808 on Oct 11, 2009 3:17:59 GMT -5
Hikawa is a vamp. Thats all that matters. LOOK A DISTRACTION *flees battle*
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Post by Neviux on Feb 7, 2010 16:53:50 GMT -5
I'm going to be a bit vulgar here, but I hope you stay with me, if only for a moment. Okay two against one, That in itself is a huge disadvantage. Including the fact that both of them are Kurono. Well you can just see how bad things look for Hikawa. (Just to put things in perspective, heres Kurono(Two) dodging R-Gun Razors in Mid-Air, after having jumped to dodge some previously) (To also point out Kurono's Badassery here he is Handing the Ring Alien a Can Chock full of ASS RAPE! FUBAR ANYONE?!) FUBAR- It means Fucked Up Beyond Any Recognition (Just to put this in perspective. That wasn't a Gantz Weapon Kei just used to Decapitate that Mordor Mother F*cka. That was the Axe that it dropped when Kei blew it's hands off with the X-Rifle. Like said, FUBAR.) While this is bad ass and all I still gotta give it to Hikawa. There is a limit to what a man can do. And Hikawa kind of pisses off all over it. Lets just look at a few of his highlights shall we. (Hikawa dodging the Sword swings of the Samurai Aliens. While it is true that eventually they managed to cut his tie, cut off his finger and finally give him a scratch along the bridge of his nose, he did kind of murk them. Especially after he made it one on one by cutting off the Woman Samurai's feet. He then proceeded to (chuckle) DISARM (get it, he cut off his arms. Lol) his opponent.) (Hikawa seems to have a pretty straight forward battle style that seems to never fail him as far as we know. It seems to be, attack while theres an opening and dodge until there is one, and if you're not sure you can win make a distraction and kill em. The last worked on Kei Kurono. The First just kind of always works in his case. He's never lost a battle before, he's barely ever even been injured or been put in life-threatening injury, as far as we know I mean) (Heres Hikawa dodging lasers. Two of them, at once. At point blank range, without getting a scratch. Can anyone say, BEAST!?) [/img][/spoiler] I'd like to direct your attention to the Pic I will now post that shows Hikawa dodging numerous Gantz Weapons fired by the Tokyo Team, excluding Kei who had already gotten a sword somewhere up the Liver by then. Above he is dodging (A Punch from Kaze, A Y-Gun Net fired by Katou, a X-Gun Shot fired by Sakata and another X-Gun Shot fired by Sakurai. Mother fucker this guy's theme song should be "Can't Touch This". I'm gonna have to hand this to Hikawa, two on one it may be. But he's proven his Mettle even with two on one. Hell he proved his mettle with four on one.
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Post by Fay on Feb 7, 2010 18:57:57 GMT -5
(To also point out Kurono's Badassery here he is Handing the Ring Alien a Can Chock full of ASS RAPE! FUBAR ANYONE?!) FUBAR- It means Fucked Up Beyond Any Recognition (Just to put this in perspective. That wasn't a Gantz Weapon Kei just used to Decapitate that Mordor Mother F*cka. That was the Axe that it dropped when Kei blew it's hands off with the X-Rifle. Like I said, FUBAR.) Those aliens were kind of weak anyway. While this is bad ass and all I still gotta give it to Hikawa. There is a limit to what a man can do. And Hikawa kind of pisses off all over it. RAGE. He's not just "a man", he's a vampire. So of course he wouldn't be bound by the "limit." But I haven't seen him pass the limit of what a Gantzer can do, either. = / (Hikawa dodging the Sword swings of the Samurai Aliens. While it is true that eventually they managed to cut his tie, cut off his finger and finally give him a scratch along the bridge of his nose, he did kind of murk them. Especially after he made it one on one by cutting off the Woman Samurai's feet. He then proceeded to (chuckle) DISARM (get it, he cut off his arms. Lol) his opponent.) This is probably his most accomplished feat. It showed amazing sword skill and reflexes. But, Kurono's shown amazing speed, power, and reflexes when going head to head with a lighting-fast being. And that is probably Kurono's most accomplished feat: It equalizes out, if you ask me. Kurono going toe to toe with the Lighting Oni alien = Hikawa defeating the two samurai Yokai. (Heres Hikawa dodging lasers. Two of them, at once. At point blank range, without getting a scratch. Can anyone say, BEAST!?) [/img][/spoiler] [/quote] All he did was move out of the way before it shot out. Kurono could have done the same. Not as impressive as his Yokai samurai feat. I'd like to direct your attention to the Pic I will now post that shows Hikawa dodging numerous Gantz Weapons fired by the Tokyo Team, excluding Kei who had already gotten a sword somewhere up the Liver by then. Above he is dodging (A Punch from Kaze, A Y-Gun Net fired by Katou, a X-Gun Shot fired by Sakata and another X-Gun Shot fired by Sakurai. It's not like he dodged them all at the same time. It was one after another. Anyone with high speed could dodge that, all they need to do is actually move.Here's Kurono dodging a bunch of X-rifle/gun fire. I'm gonna have to hand this to Hikawa, two on one it may be. But he's proven his Mettle even with two on one. Hell he proved his mettle with four on one. More RAGE. No, but seriously. He doesn't even outclass one Kurono by much. So two of them? Oh, man. His chances are so low. And if they have H-guns.......forget it.
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