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Post by Fay on Jan 17, 2010 23:51:19 GMT -5
SGAs = Super Gantz-suited Aliens. Are you sure they are Gantz suited? Regardless, I edited my list. I figured that they weren't so strong.
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Post by Oka Ace on Jan 21, 2010 17:41:10 GMT -5
Alright. I don't agree with everything on your list, so instead of disecting your whole post. I'll just comment on your tier placements. Okay? Otay.
Why don't you want the hammerhead? Really you don't think it deserves top placement? Have you seen one die yet? Or even get hurt? Those things can destroy an entire building without breaking a sweat and maybe kill a Gantz by stepping on them. Compare this to giant buddha who is 1 tenth his size. Easy killing machine the size of a Bokurano mech with a giant energy cannon. Yeah not top tier.
Nuri and Oka are fine. But I'd put Big Roman statue aliens above both Kuronos. Then were cool here.
Theres not anything really wrong here. I keep reading over it but I agree.
Oh finally some problems. I know you like Sei but come on. Above All the vamps, Smart chibi and giant buhdda. Theres no way Sei could kill any vampires besides the low ranking ones. I won't accept that. She is proficient in kickboxing yeah, and hurt the Buhdda boss yes. But the boss lasered her and regened just like anyone else. No real accomplishement when you think about it other than killing some of his small buhdda gaurds. So yes. Lower her. To where I think is below Kill Bill on your current list.
Speaking of kill Bill. You underestimated her. She is the 2nd strongest vampire next to Hikawa. Shes alive the other higher ups are dead. Doesn't that say anything? Also putting up a fight against the samurai Yokai. Sei would have died instantly.
So basically Sei and Kill Bill should trade places. IMO.
Maybe bring the chibi aliens above the Tanaka boss, Hanzo above the high ranking vamps. Sadako above the rapters lol.
The Dog could take the onion kid! He's a Vicious dog with a gantz suit. Amagine his ferocity.
I think thats it for me to object. Nice list.
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Post by Fay on Jan 21, 2010 18:39:40 GMT -5
Why don't you want the hammerhead? Really you don't think it deserves top placement? Have you seen one die yet? Or even get hurt? Exactly my point. We haven't seen it do anything other than attack. And like-wise, it hasn't been attacked yet. It has destructive power, that's all for now. For all we know, Oka could have taken it down with his mecha. Seriously, it shouldn't be in there yet, too much is not known about it. Compare this to giant Buddha who is 1 tenth his size. Easy killing machine the size of a Bokurano mech with a giant energy cannon. lol. It's definitely not the size of a Bokurano mecha. A Bokurano mecha made islands look small. These things in Gantz are about the size of the tallest city buildings. And the most we've seen the energy cannon do was destroy a building. Just wait until it actually fights something. So we can see its overall strength. And even from what we've seen, you know damn well they aren't stronger than Nuri. Nuri took out 3 buildings like that in a few seconds when he got serious. Nuri and Oka are fine. But I'd put Big Roman statue aliens above both Kuronos. Then were cool here. Why's that? Kurono and the big Roman statue alien basically killed each other. Granted, the Big Roman Statue was stronger than Kurono physically, in speed and defense, however, it was severely lacking. And in intelligence we have no gauge to go by. I'd say it could go either way. And since we know more about Kurono's feats, we should put him (them) ahead. Oh finally some problems. I know you like Sei but come on. A big part of the reason I like her is because she's powerful. I'm not saying she's powerful because I like her, lol. Yeah. All she has to do is avoid getting hit, while she pounds on the Chibi. Which, as she has demonstrated with Buddha, she's quite good at. All she has to do is the same thing Kei did. She has good legs, I'm sure she'll go straight through the head, not just in it. Theres no way Sei could kill any vampires besides the low ranking ones. lol. Why not? We've never seen them do anything that amazing. One on one, she should be able to take on any of them. She is proficient in kickboxing yeah, and hurt the Buhdda boss yes. But the boss lasered her and regened just like anyone else. No he didn't. He couldn't regenerate because she kicked the vile of acid onto him, which broke his time watch. And she was point blank range of the lazer blast and excited that she was about to win. Even Kurono now probably wouldn't have been able to dodge it. No real accomplishment when you think about it other than killing some of his small buhdda gaurds. lol. If it weren't for her, he would have still had his regen when Kato fought him. She took the boss on single handedly, and almost won. I mean, if she would have even known about the lazers she might have been ready for it (like with the acid). She's a very accomplished fighter with great reflexes, and she had a quick trigger finger when those Buddhas tried to gang up on Kurono. And, once again, it's not just about "who can beat who." It's about overall strength. I mean, sure the vampire could pop the caps on her suit and win that way, but it could also do that with any of the Gantzers. =/ Doesn't mean they are necessarily stronger than those said Gantzers. Seriously, I doubt any of the high ranking vamps except Hikawa would survive a one on one duel encounter with the Buddha boss, much less damage him like she did. Shes alive the other higher ups are dead. Doesn't that say anything? lol. Yeah, it says that she hasn't fought against Izumi yet. Because, you know, that's how they all died. Damn, Izumi's awesome. Also putting up a fight against the samurai Yokai. Sei would have died instantly. No, not necessarily. Buddha boss demonstrated some fast sword swinging. All of which she dodged. So basically Sei and Kill Bill should trade places. IMO. No, if anything Kill Bill should move up to either right ahead of the higher up vamps, but before Sei (which I don't agree with, but there's not enough evidence to say otherwise). Or right before the higher vamps. I guess putting her before Giant Buddha, smart Chibi, and T-Rex was a little bit harsh for a vampire. But there's no evidence that says she's stronger or weaker than the high ranking vampires. And there's definitely no evidence of her being stronger than Sei's sexy, sexy, ass. Hanzo above the low ranking vamps. Why? lol. Because he squeezed a bunch of Tanaka aliens? There's nothing to say that he's overall stronger than a vamp. Sadako above the rapters lol. Well, it doesn't matter because the answer isn't clear-cut anyway. We haven't seen her do much at all. If she's put ahead, it'll be due to bias. Of course, the same goes for the raptors being ahead of her, though more so with her being ahead of the raptors. The Dog could take the onion kid! He's a Vicious dog with a gantz suit. Amagine his ferocity. lol. Too bad he's a pussy who likes pussy. He could have had potential if he would ever bare his fangs. Thank you. At least the updated list is mostly like this one. I just wish you would be more open-minded about Sei.
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Post by DawgX on Jan 21, 2010 22:20:17 GMT -5
I definitely think Kill Bill should be above Sei.
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Post by Oka Ace on Jan 22, 2010 22:41:53 GMT -5
True enough. Fine we'll leave it out until we someone hurt it or take it out. Or until it kills a character.
They were the bosses of the final mission. Kurono died. He got transported back last minute. They killed so many gantzers from other countries. The power differance here is huge. I don't know why you're even contesting this. Only Oka could have made that mission look easy or even moderately difficult.
Smart Chibi nearly killed Kurono. The missions time was up, thats why Kei got to fight another day. If it hadn't we both know he would have died by Smart Chibis hand.
She was terrified of GB. She wouldn't have done anything but shoot it. Kuronos differant. I'm sure if he wasn't there everyone would have gaven up.
No. All the High ranking vamps would have killed her. Unless she got more experiance and survived a few more missions. If Hikawa and his crew showed up right after the buhdda mission and sei had survived she would have just died again. And easily.
I was wrong. True enough.
They would damage him. And might even kill him if they knew how like sei did. I'm sure they would kill sei with the experiance she has.
Avoiding the answer. Hikawa kept her close. I bet theres a reason he didn't send her out to go against Izumi. He wanted her alive. And were talking about sei not Izumi.
I'm sure the Samurai Yokai are much more efficient at swordfighting than Buhdda boss. You and I both know what makes him tough is the regen, and the lazer and his extra form. His speed can be dodged by a broken suited Katou man.
Kill bill has her in speed.
Hikawa wanted her by his side. Thats good enough for me.
Theres plenty. And other than you. I know Ren, Dawg and Halo would agree with me.
He and Sadako held up giant Buddhas leg and faught Buhdda bosses gaurds very well. I doubt a low ranking vamp could do the same.
I am opened minded about Sei I just don't think with her experiance level and mindset that she would be able to take on Kill bill and Smart chibi and definately not, the higher vamps or the samurai yokai. Thats it.
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Post by Fay on Jan 23, 2010 3:48:09 GMT -5
They were the bosses of the final mission. And one of them got killed. By Kurono. And so did the statue he was fighting. lol. They killed so many gantzers from other countries. The power difference here is huge. That's because all of the statues were attacking at once, and mind you these things have amazing attack power. So once they go on the offensive they fucking destroyed everything. All you had to do was get touched, and you were dead. And there's multiples of them all trying to touch you. It's fairly easy to see why they obliterated everything. But like I keep saying, the statues were very easy to kill on the contrary, due to lack of defensive power. 1-2 H-gun shots can kill even a big one. And the big roman statues weren't that fast either. Obviously they are stronger attack-wise, but in overall strength, it's not so clear-cut. The statue is lacking in two departments, while Kurono basically excels in all three, generally speaking. Smart Chibi nearly killed Kurono. Kurono wasn't nearly as good as he is now, plus he was in pussy mode since the beginning of that mission. =/ She was terrified of GB. She wouldn't have done anything but shoot it. Kuronos differant. I'm sure if he wasn't there everyone would have gaven up. That's because it was her first time in the mission. However, she was alive when she saw Kurono do what he did. Therefore, she would be perfectly capable of doing it herself, especially after seeing Kurono do it. What makes it so that we have to judge her based on her mind set, before Kurono did what he did? Nothing does. If anything, we should judge her mindset exactly up to the point where she decided to actually truly give it all she has (which would be up to the point where she practically kicked the Buddha boss' ass. Regardless, strength-wise, she would be perfectly capable of doing what Kurono did. No. All the High ranking vamps would have killed her. For the sake of chicken, show me evidence. Based on both of the their feats, there's nothing that says she couldn't beat them one on one. They got killed while ganging up on Izumi. Sei got killed by fighting the Buddha boss one on one. What says that they are stronger than her? If Hikawa and his crew showed up right after the Buddha mission and Sei had survived she would have just died again. And easily. lol. Yeah and you know why? Because they would gang up on her. Big difference from a one on one fight. And that definitely does not measure their individual overall strength. They would damage him. And might even kill him if they knew how like sei did. Fact of the matter is, she dodged every attack it threw at her and kicked back the acid. She had no idea how to stop the regen, the kick back was just a reflex. She's a great close range fighter. A natural one, I would even say. Avoiding the answer. Hikawa kept her close. I bet theres a reason he didn't send her out to go against Izumi. He wanted her alive. And were talking about sei not Izumi. lol. You asked what that says about her. And the only thing it said about her was that she didn't fight Izumi. It's not like she outlasted the other vamps because she was skillful. Her not being killed and the higher vamps being killed, isn't related to her skill in anyway. Because they were killed by someone she never encountered. I'm sure the Samurai Yokai are much more efficient at sword fighting than Buddha boss. Yeah, they are definitely more talented in the art of sword fighting. However, I looked back at the fight, and Kill Bill didn't put up a fight at all. She just got her arms cut off and that was it. So the samurai yokai are irrelevant. And there's still nothing that truly says that "Sei would have died instantly" against the samurai yokai, but it doesn't matter. You and I both know what makes him tough is the regen, and the lazer and his extra form. His speed can be dodged by a broken suited Katou man. A broken suited Katou never dodged the two basically simultaneous sword swings liek she did. =/ Kill bill has her in speed. Where's the evidence? The fastest opponent she's been up against was probably the samurai yokai. Oh, wait...lol. Seriously, who has she been up against that says she's faster in speed? Sei is a physically fit woman who has proved herself on the first hunt. The Gantz suit makes your speed increase. You put that combo together and she obviously has pretty good speed as well. Hikawa wanted her by his side. Thats good enough for me. lol. It's called pussy. You know, that thing that men like the stick their penises in? He and Sadako held up giant Buddhas leg and faught Buhdda bosses gaurds very well. I doubt a low ranking vamp could do the same. He helped hold up a foot, a vampire should be able to do the same if he had 3-4 other Gantzters helping him. Also, it's not like they were able to hold up the foot forever. So that really says that their combined force wasn't that great anyway. And the boss' guards are fodder, they were even killed off screen. =/ One or two shots from a regular shot gun ought to kill the Buddha statues. We've already seen a mere karate man have an effect by simply attacking it with his head. I am opened minded about Sei I just don't think with her experience level and mindset that she would be able to take on Kill bill and Smart chibi and definately not, the higher vamps. Why the hizzle not? Based on what each has done, she sure as hell can take on any vamp (aside from Hikawa, lol) and a Chibi alien that thinks he's smart, but never actually went hand to hand combat with Kurono. If Kurono actually wasn't in pussy mode and tried to use the strength of the suit to even attempt to fight the Chibi alien hand to hand, it would have had a lot more effect on him. Look at what Izumi was able to do without a suit and with a chair. He was able to hold his own with him. And once again, it's not like Kurono or Sei cannot fight in hand to hand combat to begin with, because they can. They should be able to take on the chibi via the strength of the Gantz suit alone. Because, the suit is just that strong. From what we have seen, the higher up vampires and Kill Bill have not done anything that puts them above Sei. The higher ups all ganged up on Izumi, and got their asses beat. Well, that doesn't tell us much. One of the higher ups faced Izumi one on one, when Izumi was suitless. He also lost. That doesn't really tell us much either. Other than that Izumi's awesome. And, it's overall strength we are dealing with so let's evaluate this, shall we? Let's start with the main course, Sei. Weapon-wise, the most she has ever used was an X-gun, and she isn't bad at using it either. Strength-wise, she's pretty physically fit. We can tell this by her reflexes (when she dodges the acid while holding Kurono, and when she dodged the sword swings) and also, when she kicked the Buddha boss alien, it's wrist, bone and skin broke apart like a freaking twig. And, it didn't even seem like she had activated the muscles yet. Meaning she wasn't at full power and in rage mode. A chunk of his arm probably could have been taken off if she had the muscles at full like Kaze usually does and kicked. I mean come on, that's got to say something. 0_o stoptazmo.com/downloads/manga_viewer.php(Chapter 82, pages 211-214. Intelligence wise she seems normal. Sexy-wise, she's competition for Reika. Kill Bill. Weapon-wise, the strongest she has ever used is a sword. Meaning she doesn't have much fire power, compared to Sei's x-gun. Remember, we are speaking overall and in general here. Strength wise, we can assume she has a decent amount of superhuman strength, due to her being a vamp, but that's it. Before this, wasn't she just a normal girl? There's nothing to go off of. Obviously she has better reflexes than most vamps, but still, we haven't seen that much of that either. We haven't seen her do anything to assume that she's stronger or more fit than sei. Maybe in reflexes and sword technique she's better, due to practicing with Hikawa, but even then I'm just speculating. Sei has shown close combat skills, reflexes, brute strength, no waste of X-gun usage and the protection that a Gantz suit gives.. While Kill Bill has reflexes, and sword fighting skills. Plus the durability that a vamp body gives, which does not match that of a Gantz suit. So two things, Number one, Sei is definitely a match for Kill Bill (in fact, I think it would be a good fight to actually watch), and Number two, in overall strength Sei has more merit. Even if you do not agree that Sei's ultimately stronger, you have to acknowledge that she's at least a match for Kill Bill based on her feats. And if Sei's a match for her and Kill Bill is supposedly stronger than the high vamps, then Sei should be too. Besides, with the vamps we have seen even less true demonstrations of their power. So regardless of who is deemed as stronger, they should be put last of the three. As they were all just killed by Izumi. And Chibi alien is practically fodder compared to them. And sorry this was so long. I actually tried to not make it as long so it could be more bearable to you. =(
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Post by DawgX on Jan 23, 2010 10:28:29 GMT -5
Um quick question.
Why are we fighting over Sei and Kill Bill? We all know Kill Bill would DESTROY Sei. Come on. Kill Bill killed like 2 experienced Gantzer during the Nuri hunt. She only lost against the Samurai Yokai BECAUSE she was tricked by them. How would she know that they would just up and attack her WHILE they were FIGHTING THE OTHER GANTZERs?
But oh wow look at this, Sei got lucky dodging this and that and now she is some experienced Gantzer? Seriously -.- End of Story.
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Post by Fay on Jan 23, 2010 19:09:09 GMT -5
Um quick question. Why are we fighting over Sei and Kill Bill? We all know Kill Bill would DESTROY Sei. That's exactly why we are arguing over Sei. Because I'm saying we don't know that based on what she has shown us. lol. Come on. Kill Bill killed like 2 experienced Gantzer during the Nuri hunt. lol. No, I don't think she did. I looked back over the chapters again. If you'll see here, there were three Gantzers that attacked them and the Samurai Yokai. Two of them got killed by the Yokai, and the other got killed by Hikawa. Also, if you'll look very carefully, you'll see it looked like Kill Bill actually needed help, as the Gantzer was about to swing down on her full force, when Hikawa attacked from behind. Then right after that, is when she got her arm cut off. So regardless, the main point is, she didn't kill any experienced Gantzer: stoptazmo.com/manga-series/gantz/Chapter 253 (the end of the chapter) and 254. She only lost against the Samurai Yokai BECAUSE she was tricked by them. Exactly my point. lol. Ace said that she was able to put up a fight against them, but she didn't. All she did was get sneaked attacked and that's it. Therefore, comparing Sei to them would also be irrelevant. =/ How would she know that they would just up and attack her WHILE they were FIGHTING THE OTHER GANTZERs? Well, it wasn't while she was fighting the other Gantzers. Actually it was after the fighting was already done. But still a sneak attack is a sneak attack. But oh wow look at this, Sei got lucky dodging this and that and now she is some experienced Gantzer? Seriously -.- End of Story. Got lucky? Now what in the hell makes you say that? She put up a fighting set, and dodged the sword swings quite well. It didn't look like luck at all. She's talented. And you don't have to be an experienced Gantzer to be strong. She's proven that.lol. Seriously, I don't know why you aren't giving Sei the benefit of the doubt. Kill Bill hasn't shown anything that says she's stronger. >_<
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Post by DawgX on Jan 23, 2010 19:48:11 GMT -5
Sei is okay wit me.
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Post by Oka Ace on Jan 24, 2010 15:19:35 GMT -5
Fuck sei. Fuck sei in a narrow hallway with half a gantz suit on!
I still don't believe without a reasonable doubt that sei is that strong. And Kill bill isn't.
Wait for my long post after I get back from work tonight.
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Post by Oka Ace on Jan 25, 2010 0:13:08 GMT -5
And one of them got killed. By Kurono. Yeah and? One. It's not like he won the whole mission himself. He lucked out in the end. And he died, they both died but Kuronos the one who needed saving. Obviously they are stronger attack-wise, but in overall strength, it's not so clear-cut. The statue is lacking in two departments, while Kurono basically excels in all three, generally speaking. Thanks for giving me a reason why they're stronger than Kurono. I doubt Kei could have that kind of attack power. Kurono wasn't nearly as good as he is now, plus he was in pussy mode since the beginning of that mission. =/ He was better than Sei. So I guess Sei would have died then. Smart Chibi > Sei. End discussion. Regardless, strength-wise, she would be perfectly capable of doing what Kurono did. This is debatable. I believe nobody but Kurono would have been able to do what he did. I mean Katou tried to save the army guy the same way and failed. So I doubt sei would have been able to either. Kuronos special. For the sake of chicken, show me evidence. Based on both of the their feats, there's nothing that says she couldn't beat them one on one. They got killed while ganging up on Izumi. Sei got killed by fighting the Buddha boss one on one. What says that they are stronger than her? What the fucking fuck fuck? ? They're freaking high ranking vampire bosses who have most likely been around for years, decades even. Sei is a teenage retired kick boxer that went on a mission and died 9 chapters later after being in 3 battles. I don't even want to argue this anymore. And don't say you've won because arguing this point any longer would just anger me.. So I concede on that note. Yeah and you know why? Because they would gang up on her. Big difference from a one on one fight. And that definitely does not measure their individual overall strength. Above. lets agree to disagree. Because we clearly won't change each others minds on the matter. I think any one of them can take her alone. Fact of the matter is, she dodged every attack it threw at her and kicked back the acid. She had no idea how to stop the regen, the kick back was just a reflex. She's a great close range fighter. A natural one, I would even say. She dodged a handful of sword swipes and kicked back a pint of acid because she knew what it would do. And got lucky enough to spill the acid on his regeneration device. Thats how I see the fight. Yeah, they are definitely more talented in the art of sword fighting. However, I looked back at the fight, and Kill Bill didn't put up a fight at all. She just got her arms cut off and that was it. So the samurai yokai are irrelevant. And there's still nothing that truly says that "Sei would have died instantly" against the samurai yokai, but it doesn't matter. I think she would have died instantly because shes sei on the 3rd mission, and they are mini bosses 5 missions later. A broken suited Katou never dodged the two basically simultaneous sword swings liek she did. =/ He dodged a tail and 4 arms one after the other. Same alien same reflexes. Just that our opponants suit was broken. Making Buhdda look worse. lol. It's called pussy. You know, that thing that men like the stick their penises in? I doubt Hikawa cares more about pussy than a great battle partner. He's a samurai vampire afterall. The strongest Vampire would want the 2nd strongest with him. He helped hold up a foot, a vampire should be able to do the same if he had 3-4 other Gantzters helping him. I doubt he would contribute that much. The lower ranking vampires just seem to be humans more than anything. The higher ups, pose the only danger to the hunters. If Kurono actually wasn't in pussy mode and tried to use the strength of the suit to even attempt to fight the Chibi alien hand to hand, it would have had a lot more effect on him. Look at what Izumi was able to do without a suit and with a chair. He was able to hold his own with him. And once again, it's not like Kurono or Sei cannot fight in hand to hand combat to begin with, because they can. They should be able to take on the chibi via the strength of the Gantz suit alone. Because, the suit is just that strong. Kurono was able to kill the other chibis because he used the bait and switch technique, any of them would have destroyed him in hand to hand. Smart chibi was differant though. He stood back. He's the only alien to win a mission. He followed kei and was only taken down by a hail of gunfire which he survived and kei. He's very special. And Izumi was special too. He would have died if kei hadn't showed up... maybe. Who knows Izumi's awesome haxxors. From what we have seen, the higher up vampires and Kill Bill have not done anything that puts them above Sei. They don't have to. It's just common sense. They are strong vampires. It's like you arguing if she could kill Hikawa. Which I wouldn't put it past you to try do if I was an idiot. Strength-wise, she's pretty physically fit. We can tell this by her reflexes (when she dodges the acid while holding Kurono, and when she dodged the sword swings) and also, when she kicked the Buddha boss alien, it's wrist, bone and skin broke apart like a freaking twig. And, it didn't even seem like she had activated the muscles yet. Meaning she wasn't at full power and in rage mode. A chunk of his arm probably could have been taken off if she had the muscles at full like Kaze usually does and kicked. I mean come on, that's got to say something. Those are some good points. Maybe if she had more experiance and wasn't killed off I'd let you put her above the vamps and smart chibi. But I can't. I just can't. I'll look at it and think it's wrong. Blame Oku for killing her because I bet she would have been one of the greats and alive with the current team today. Number one, Sei is definitely a match for Kill Bill (in fact, I think it would be a good fight to actually watch), and Number two, in overall strength Sei has more merit. Even if you do not agree that Sei's ultimately stronger, you have to acknowledge that she's at least a match for Kill Bill based on her feats. And if Sei's a match for her and Kill Bill is supposedly stronger than the high vamps, then Sei should be too. Besides, with the vamps we have seen even less true demonstrations of their power. So regardless of who is deemed as stronger, they should be put last of the three. As they were all just killed by Izumi. I think it would be a good fight too. Because we have barely any evidence besides rank and experiance. I'll put sei below the High ranking vamps. Thats a good upgrade above smart chibi even. I hope you can settle for that because I know theres more to come from Kill Bill that will make us come back and I'll be able to say I told you so.
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Post by Fay on Jan 25, 2010 16:32:02 GMT -5
Yeah and? One. It's not like he won the whole mission himself. He lucked out in the end. And he died, they both died but Kuronos the one who needed saving. lol. We are talking about individual strength right? He doesn't need to win the whole mission. We are talking one on one. The biggest, and strongest statue we saw, was the one Kurono fought. They both died and thus they both needed saving. =/ I don't see what this is supposed to prove other than that the answer isn't a clear cut one. Thanks for giving me a reason why they're stronger than Kurono. I doubt Kei could have that kind of attack power. Exactly, they are stronger than Kurono attack-wise. But this isn't merely an "attack tier", a place where whoever has the highest attack should be on the top. Unless, it is and you didn't specify. I was under the presumption that this was a measure of all kinds of strength. Intelligence, speed, defense, etc. This is debatable. I believe nobody but Kurono would have been able to do what he did. I mean Katou tried to save the army guy the same way and failed. He failed because he didn't have a running start equal to the distance that Kurono did, plus he wasn't as pumped or into it. So I doubt sei would have been able to either. Kuronos special. That doesn't make any sense. Kurono was just a regular teenager before Gantz. If Katou or Sei, or anyone with equal amount of muscle in their body to Kurono, tried to do that, they should be able to. All they need to do is actually use the power of the suit. Logic implies this. Kurono was able to kill the other chibis because he used the bait and switch technique, any of them would have destroyed him in hand to hand. Yeah, because he was in pussy mode. Like I said before, if he would have actually used the strength of the suit, he could have destroyed any Chibi in hand to hand combat. They are strong, but the suit makes the human just as strong. And if you combine that "strength" with someone who actually knows how to fight (Sei or Kurono), then they should be able to win. Or at least compete with, the Chibi alien in hand to hand. They don't have to. It's just common sense. They are strong vampires. Okay, so now I know you don't have any proof. Common sense? How would you even know that? It's a manga, and the way we guage character's strengths is by seeing the characters do stuff. This is what we call proof of their strength. You don't just say that person's strong because someone says so or they are in a "high" position. =/ You find out due to proof. It's like you arguing if she could kill Hikawa. Which I wouldn't put it past you to try do if I was an idiot. That's a terrible analogy, and you know why? Because there's proof of his strength. He's done a lot to show his abilities, the others? Not so much. All they did was gang up on someone, only to get killed. Those are some good points. Blame Oku for killing her because I bet she would have been one of the greats and alive with the current team today. Nah, I'm glad he killed her. Mainly because she was one of my favorites. lol. Doesn't make much sense, does it? And yeah, she probably would have been very great. In fact, I think Kaze was basically her replacement. I think it would be a good fight too. Because we have barely any evidence besides rank and experience. Rank doesn't necessarily mean they are stronger in combat abilities. A solider could be more physically stronger than a general. And we actually don't know Kill Bill's rank. All we know is that Hikawa kept her with him on the mission to kill Kurono. For all we know, he was simply supervising the mission to make sure it went well, while she was on her first mission. Then that's when they got to the Gantz room. Really, if you think about it, there's nothing that states that she is his "right hand man" so to speak. It could just be that they were paired together for that one mission. Meaning the theory of Hikawa wanting the second strongest next to him doesn't hold water. He could have just wanted to take her from Akira, and make her a vamp. There's nothing that says she ended up being really strong and he ended up having her go everywhere with him. Unless, like I said, she's his source of potential pussy. I'll put sei below the High ranking vamps. Thats a good upgrade above smart chibi even. I hope you can settle for that because I know theres more to come from Kill Bill that will make us come back and I'll be able to say I told you so. lol. Of course I can settle for that. But I'll take one last shot. Haven't you ever heard of "innocent till proven guilty"? It's based off of logic and reason. Do you really think it is reasonable or fair to put Kill Bill above Sei, when there is no proof of her being stronger? If you do, all it shows is bias. It's fine if she shows us otherwise later in the manga, and you can say "told you so" all you want. But for now, it doesn't really make sense to put her or the high ranking vamps above. We should wait until there is actually proof first. Like with the hammerhead. And if this means what I think it does, then hell yeah! ^_^
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Post by DawgX on Jan 25, 2010 19:02:21 GMT -5
Ok soooo, heres the NEW tier. Top: -HammerHead Mechs -Nurarihyon -Big Roman Statue Aliens -Oka Hachirou -Kurono 1 & Kurono 2 (They're both the SAME person. Their skills are the same.) -Small Roman Statue Aliens
High: -Hikawa -Oni Boss -Kuwabara -Izumi -George -Knob -Nuri's personal guards -Kaze -Katou -Dino Boss -Huge Bull Yokai (that Oka fought) -Buddha Boss -Kenzo -Sakurai -Nishi -SGAs' -Two Samurai Yokai
Middle: -Fire Oni -Rock Oni -Reika -Kill Bill -The 3 Higher Ranking vamps -Old Man -Sakuraoka Sei -Smart Chibi -T-Rex -Tricereatops -Giant Buhdda -Akira -Takeshi -Morphing Oni -Jyuzo Togo
Low: -Inaba -Lower ranking vamps -Hanzo Homo -All the other Yokai -Tanaka Boss -Chibi Aliens -Tentacle Onis -Kishimoto -Tanaka Aliens -Raptors -Sadako -Small Bhuddas -Onion Adult
Bottom: -Hoi Hoi -Onion Kid -Dog -Little Tanakas
[/color] Its more LOGICAL [/spoiler] Fays Tier: Top: -Nurarihyon -Oka Hachirou (Fayrra's babe). -Kurono 1 -Kurono 2 (is cooler than one) -Big Roman Statue Aliens -Small Roman Statue Aliens
High: -Hikawa -George -Knob -Kuwabara -Nuri's personal guards -Izumi -Katou -Oni Boss -Kaze -Dino Boss -Huge Bull Yokai (that Oka fought) -Buddha Boss -Kenzo -Sakurai -Nishi -Human-like Aliens (invasion) or SGA's. -Two Samurai Yokai
Middle: -Fire Oni -Rock Oni -Reika -Old Man -Sakuraoka Sei -High Ranking vamps -Smart Chibi -Tricereatops/T-rex -Giant Buhdda -Kill Bill -Jyuzo Togo -Akira -Takeshi -Morphing Oni
Low: -Inaba -Lower ranking vamps -Hanzo Homo -All the other Yokai -Tanaka Boss -Chibi Aliens -Tentacle Onis -Kishimoto -Tanaka Aliens -Raptors -Sadako -Small Bhuddas -Onion Adult
Bottom: -Hoi Hoi -Onion Kid -Dog -Little Tanakas
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Post by Fay on Jan 30, 2010 3:22:08 GMT -5
Didn't you type that you agreed to leave these out? lol. -Big Roman Statue Aliens -Oka Hachirou lol. No. Oka Hachirou has way more overall strength than the statue aliens. He has H-guns (of which has been shown to be able to kill the big statue easily) a Gantz suit, an Advanced Gantz suit with blasters (that would probably turn the statue to dust) intelligence, stealth, and a mecha. Oh, and the flying monobike. One on one, he should be able to murder any big roman statue we have seen thus far, especially if Kurono could take it down. And in overall strength, the big statue is lacking in speed and defense. All it has is attack. High: -Hikawa -Oni Boss -Kuwabara -Izumi -George -Knob lol. Wow. Okay, so Hikawa is overall stronger than the Oni boss, but Kuwabara, George, and Knob isn't? How does that work? But I do agree that the Oni boss is overall, stronger than anyone in that list. He should be at the top, above Hikawa. And while any of the stronger Osaka Gantzers and Hikawa would be able to kill the Oni through the use of an H-gun, in overall strength, not many can match Oni. He has the highest speed in the manga, high attack and some level of intelligence. George and Knob are both more powerful than Izumi due to having H-guns and Izumi just using a sword. Izumi's actually probably the most skilled next to Oka, but he doesn't have enough firepower, he only uses the sword. These guys should also be above Izumi. These bastards were able to take like 8 H-gun shots and still live and fight on. They are fucking strong. The only other alien that could probably tank that much and still live is Nuri himself. Seriously. What's your reasoning behind this? I know it is not clear cut, but I chose Katou over Kaze due to the fact that all Kaze uses is his hands, while Katou has used an H-gun before. Meaning Katou has way more firepower than Kaze. Middle: -Kill Bill -The 3 Higher Ranking vamps -Old Man -Sakuraoka Sei Wow. Not only Sei, but now the old man? Fucking retarded. It actually kind of was. Beside the High and the middle list. >_< Because it is really funny if you think putting the vamps above Sei and the old man is more logical. You know, without any evidence to back it up. Oh, and morphing should probably be above Takeshi and Akira. They are both pretty weak in overall strength, where as morphing can basically take over your body and all he needs to do is get in it to accomplish this. Actually pretty dangerous.
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Post by DawgX on Jan 30, 2010 10:03:36 GMT -5
Yeah well i decided to put them back in. So whatever. End of story.
Idc about Oka just cuz he had an h-gun or two. Those Roman Statues fucking kicked ass so they are above him. End of Story.
Yes Sei is below the Old Man. He has more "experience" then her. She died doin whatver the fuck it is she was TRYING to do. Soo end of story.
Kuwabara wasn't even using his suit the whole Nuri arc and he didn't even get a scratch. Izumi died USING his suit and he got beat the fuck up. End of story.
Maybe ur right about the Nuris guards above Izumi. Maybe.
Wow so cuz Kato used an H-Gun once, hes stronger then Kaze...weird..
The morphing watever should be above those two.
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