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Post by darkphoenix on Mar 7, 2011 17:17:24 GMT -5
Its kinda anoying that they never shoot an alien that hasnt noticed them yet until it sees them seriously in the budha alien mission they were staring at the aliens for like five minutes before the aliens made the first move i guess good guys never shoot first
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Post by Belexar on Mar 15, 2011 9:09:10 GMT -5
Maybe their nerves were so fucked up by the whole dying and coming back to hunt aliens shit that they couldn't shoot?
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Post by selloutboy on Jul 6, 2011 23:15:45 GMT -5
I completely agree with the government-related comments. They had an alien corpse as far back as Vol. 10 (complete with a classroom full of dead children) and we barely saw anything about how they (or the public) handled the whole thing. Then, a bunch of people were chopped in half by giant invisible blades in the dinosaur and ring alien missions, and no one raises a fuss except that one reporter guy. Don't even get me started on the governmental and public apathy toward everything from the Oni mission on (at least until Katastrophe started).
Really, I think Gantz is pretty expertly plotted for the most part, but the one thing that really bothers me is the way no one pays attention to the aliens except the Gantz players, one reporter, and some Germans and rich people. If there was a massive cover-up going on, that would be one thing, but that has been neither confirmed nor denied.
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Post by Fay on Jul 19, 2011 20:00:42 GMT -5
I agree with Neon as far as the vampires go. I do not think Izumi should be revived, however. Unless of course he's definitely going to die again after being awesome as hell. He's my favorite character, after all. Can't believe I didn't mention the beginning of the manga, yet. How Kurono and Kei got killed in the first place was so unbelievably retarded. Ok. So they can both lift up a completely dead-weight fat guy, but they can't climb up the platform with each other's help? Oh, wait, that's right, instead of helping each other get up, they decide to try to outrun the train before it gets there, counting on the random chance that it isn't the express train. It's almost sad how fucking retarded they were. Oh, yeah, and Izumi's killing spree. What the heck were the cops freaking doing? They had a SWAT team on Nishi's ass, but not a single cop on Black-Izumi. What were they scared because it was a black guy? "Oh, no, NOT a BLACK GUY! We need the army down here!" It would have been awesome to see Izumi vs. the cops in a shoot-out, as well. Screw that shoot-out with Kurono.
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Post by ronnie on Jul 21, 2011 0:52:08 GMT -5
I only have three problems.
Uno.
There are no more aliens...just the wannable giant gantzers. Common sense tells you that if no more hunts are taking place, the regular aliens are gonna become a cluster-fuck on earth, but they go unnoticed and unmentioned.
Dos.
Katou has forgotten about Kishimoto entirely, as has Kurono. You could tell that Kurono truely did love her, and if anything it was his first love.
Tres!
I also hated how the series doesn't go into detail about whether or not the REAL kurono or the clone Kurono is with Reika. If you notice, the real Kurono had no problem with the idea of being with Reika, but the clone seemed like he HAD to have Tae. Then after their discussion you notice that Reika and Kurono are suddenly perfect for eachother, in which is not how love really works. Kurono the clone would be settling for 2nd best in his eyes. It makes one think that perhaps that isn't the clone with Reika and also makes Kurono's attempts to save Tae now seem more epic. The fact that the manga doesn't outright state which Kurono is which is pretty shitty imo.
And once again Gantz gets a lousy score for character develpment. Great idea, but shitty ass focus on characters. Oku can kiss my ass sometimes.
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Post by ronnie on Jul 21, 2011 1:00:29 GMT -5
Furthermore, I can write better characters in Gantz than Oku with both of my ass cheeks clutching a pencil.
And that's not talent, that's just honesty.
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Post by Rogue on Jul 21, 2011 3:29:03 GMT -5
You could tell that Kurono truely did love her, and if anything it was his first love. Why do you say this? Wheres the proof that he actually did love her?
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Post by Fay on Jul 21, 2011 4:14:33 GMT -5
Katou has forgotten about Kishimoto entirely, as has Kurono. You could tell that Kurono truely did love her, and if anything it was his first love. I don't think he loved her romantically. Sexually, yeah, he did love her, and it completely clouded his mind. After she died, he of course was sad. Just like I would be if Boxxy died or some shit. Doesn't mean I love Boxxy romantically. In order to love someone romantically, you need both sexual love and emotional love. Emotional love is usually built from things like someone loving you/caring for you, and you finding their personality/actions favorable. We never once saw Kurono like/admire anything she did, nor did Kishimoto care for him back. Clearly all that leaves is sexual desire. Kishimoto was just completely and utterly his type physically. Not to mention he loves Tae and has Reika after him. It's kind of easy to "forget" about 'that one girl that didn't like you but you were completely 100% lusted for.' I also hated how the series doesn't go into detail about whether or not the REAL kurono or the clone Kurono is with Reika. If you notice, the real Kurono had no problem with the idea of being with Reika, but the clone seemed like he HAD to have Tae. Then after their discussion you notice that Reika and Kurono are suddenly perfect for each other, in which is not how love really works. Kurono the clone would be settling for 2nd best in his eyes. It makes one think that perhaps that isn't the clone with Reika and also makes Kurono's attempts to save Tae now seem more epic. The fact that the manga doesn't outright state which Kurono is which is pretty shitty imo. The last thing Kurono said to his clone was "yo, here's why it's not that bad: You're me. I like Reika. Reika likes you. Which is me. But I like Tae, which is why I can't have Reika. Though, I really DO want her- so much that if she came first, I would probably totally prefer her more than Tae. So, I'll make Tae happy, and you'll make Reika happy -you, being me, who likes Reika. Two birds, one stone." and the other one didn't say anything back. Basically, "I understand." It's obvious by that last statement that the Tae-Kurono wasn't planning on switching. Unless you really think the author wouldn't tell you about that? What would be the point? And, since you're probably going to bring up Kurono and Reika getting along or whatever, Reika and Kurono did NOT get along perfectly after that. Sure, Reika and Kurono went into the bath together and later had sex but that's pretty easy to do when you realize you happen to have a raging hard on for her (hence the reason for the pep talk with Tae-Kurono). But they clearly still don't get along perfectly because during the invasion arc, Kurono and Reika got teleported, but they held hands so they end up staying together. After they realized this, Kurono looked away with some kind of contempt (chapter 318). Would the other Kurono who would have willingly switched do that? I honestly do not think the author's pulling one over on you here. So the two points I'm arguing is 1; not true love. 2; The Kuronos didn't switch. Edit: Yeah, Rogue just made the Kurono/Kishi thing a whole lot more simple. <3 Edit 2: Also, I think the characters are all pretty decently written and realistic.
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Post by ashleysherrinjones on Jul 21, 2011 15:27:15 GMT -5
I agree with Rogue and Fayrra that there was no love between the Kei's. I disliked Kishimoto soooooooooooo much, i miss sadako and the gay boy actor i looooooooooooved them. I also Sai sooooo much. As in another post i made i looooove her so much.
FYI the additional o's are to express my love or hate XP
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Post by ronnie on Jul 22, 2011 19:16:40 GMT -5
Lol I never said anything about true love, you took that out of context. All I stated was that from the series I gathered that kurono did love her, so did katou yet its like she never existed.
As for the clone I had this same argument with my roommate, but i guess I missed his reaction to reika in the spaceship, however something like that should be a lot more obvious to spot. I'm a big reika fan but I'd rather have her and kurono be miserable rather than be together as if everything is fine when its not
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Post by Rogue on Jul 22, 2011 19:53:23 GMT -5
You could tell that Kurono truely did love her, and if anything it was his first love. Lol I never said anything about true love, you took that out of context. theres no such thing as "true love" anyway.
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Post by Fay on Jul 22, 2011 20:03:48 GMT -5
If it's not true love then why are you surprised he got over her? Do you think that Kurono's that weak? If so, then it can be explained another way: Tae. Surely you realize that it's fairly easy to get over someone you didn't have true love for when you now have someone you truly love?
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Post by ronnie on Jul 23, 2011 0:25:39 GMT -5
Lmao rogue how do you quote something, and put in bold exactly what I stated, and still use it as evidence for something I didn't say. No one said anything about true love or whether or not there is such a thing, I highly doubt you would have any valid experience at your age.
The true issue here is that kishimoto chose katou over kurono and died for katou, he vowed to wish them both back and now kishimoto doesn't exist. Atleast having him think back and provide a reason why they haven't attempted or even katou. Its just stupid and poor continuation.
Besides you don't have to be meant for someone you love, it just happens and if kurono just wanted to bang he had his chance, but he didn't because he felt something more for her. When she chose katou he fucked the biker to get back at her and went rogue when she acted like she didn't care. Then when she died he went ape shit.
So in my opinion he truly did love her in some way shape or form and you can't deny that. I won't say true love because that's mutual feeling between two people. Oku just pulled the plug on the character and erased her from existence.
It pisses me off because she had the most interesting female background in the entire series. I wanted her to confront her twin as well as find out why she committed suicide.
You can flame me all you want, this is just what irks me about the series.
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Post by Fay on Jul 23, 2011 1:22:09 GMT -5
The true issue here is that kishimoto chose katou over kurono and died for katou, he vowed to wish them both back and now kishimoto doesn't exist. Atleast having him think back and provide a reason why they haven't attempted Kurono did think back, didn't he? It was between Nishi, Sei, and Kishimoto. He chose logic. or even katou. Its just stupid and poor continuation. For Katou, sure, I can see him more interested in reviving her, but he never got 100 points other than Nuri, and that was for Kurono. and if kurono just wanted to bang he had his chance, but he didn't because he felt something more for him. 0_0. Proof? Unless you meant he had a chance to rape her or something? lol So in my opinion he truly did love her in some way shape or form and you can't deny that. I won't say true love because that's mutual feeling between two people. Yes, he did love her, sexually. But my point is he didn't love her personality, as well. Sexual love can be strong, but alone it's not anywhere close to loving their personality as well. He went crazy when she died, but that's not proof that he was irreplacably attatched to her. It's much more easy to get over it since when he takes a step back and thinks: all he desired from her was sex. He didn't grow to like her habits or personality at that moment. And never really shown to. You can flame me all you want, this is just what irks me about the series. lol, is that the type of people you think Rogue and I are? Since when have we gave any indication of flaming? And if it makes you mad, that's fine. But it shouldn't strike you as odd that Kurono forgot about her, at all. It's realistic.
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Post by ronnie on Jul 23, 2011 1:34:56 GMT -5
No, not mad. Just defensive. It's almost as if I'm not entitled to have any criticisms about the series in a thread dedicated to them.
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