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Post by Neviux on Jan 25, 2010 21:13:21 GMT -5
I don't think it would be a very good idea it puts out a very difficult air to it. It will also deter some users from joining. I am a pretty active guy (I'm on this site at least once a day). So I don't mind it, but for the guys who are not, this is kind of a slap in the face if they decide to join. And the problem with stat based Rps is, every once in a while there will be a huge Gap made between one or two characters that is down right unsurpassable or even matchable and then those characters tend to get shunned.
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Post by DawgX on Jan 25, 2010 22:09:35 GMT -5
and Nev has a good point too.
Well the rp should just stay as a "i trust that u want hax ur character" type rp. Its doing well so far.
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Post by βeηrγ on Jan 26, 2010 9:25:56 GMT -5
I don't think it would be a very good idea it puts out a very difficult air to it. It will also deter some users from joining. I am a pretty active guy (I'm on this site at least once a day). So I don't mind it, but for the guys who are not, this is kind of a slap in the face if they decide to join. well i dont mean we do this for the gantz rp. Remember that this site is primarly for gantz and new members wouldnt really gat "scared" because the rpg in gantz will remain unchanged. This would be just for bleach, which would be a side rp to this site. If they really wanna rp bleacj (the main reason i mean) they would not join this site but a site focused mostly for bleach with extended rules etc. And the problem with stat based Rps is, every once in a while there will be a huge Gap made between one or two characters that is down right unsurpassable or even matchable and then those characters tend to get shunned. well wouldnt that be more real? i mean if u are a long user here and say u are made captain then u got a really high stat of course. U cant expect a member who has just joined to match ur level cause he would really be just a "novice" shinigami/espada whatever. He would have to train to achieve ur level and that would be rewarding (at least for me). Also dawg u say only the stats sound good, but how would a character increase their stats?
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Post by Neviux on Jan 26, 2010 16:54:39 GMT -5
You seem to have had a bit of a misconception when it comes to what I was referring to. No problem really, just allow me to explain. When I said it would scare members off I meant potential members of the Bleach RP not the site. I doubt most users who join the site do so for the sub Rpgs that Gantz Players allows.
You also seem to be a bit confused here. When you say Realistic I'm just going to assume you mean to say that it would be more relatable to the Bleach world.
But you're wrong. For example, the idea that a "Novice" isn't as strong as a trained warrior. You're dead wrong in fact. For example the Sado Vs. 5-10 Shinigami. When Chad went to Rukongai he was confronted by a group of Shinigami, who he proceeded to pound into the ground. While it is true that Chad is quite an athlete and even more so a fighter, he was fighting Shinigami. Who have spent the last maybe DECADE doing nothing but being trained to kill and defend themselves. He had been training with his powers for about a week.
Another Example is the example of Kurosaki Ichigo. Who is the embodiment of a Novice dominating a skilled warrior. Ichigo took down some of the Soul Socitey's most celebrated warriors and the same can be said for Hueco Mundo. Where he defeated the Number 6 Espada and then proceeded to kill Ulquoirra (In his Second Release No less).
Another Example is the theory of Zaraki Kenpachi. Most shinigami have to spend years,decades, to become a Captain and most don't make it. Kenpachi spent Years doing nothing but kicking ass, no training, no discipline, no effort. Just plain whoopass, His sword technique is Novice OMEGA, his only TAUGHT skill was the ability of Kendo which he has only used once so far (As known by the audience).
I could keep going but I think you get the idea. But just to be sure.
The Espada (The Newer Ones) did not train to gain their positions. They became Espada because they were created stronger than the others, thats it. The transition between Hollow and Arrancar was such that their power leaped well over the Privaron Espada thus leaving those who had trained and tried hard for years in the dust to do naught but sulk. Long story short, you are mistaken. Novices excell all the time in Bleach, effort means nothing if you're not good enough.
The problem with Stat based Rps, once again. Is it eventually just becomes a race to see whos stronger. No one really enjoys having to become the strongest or even get to a respectable level, it's tedious and boring, it takes away from the experience. Having the ability to throw down all of a sudden and not get fucking murked is a great thing, not something that should be abolished so that one or two people can say their the best.
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Post by βeηrγ on Jan 26, 2010 18:37:15 GMT -5
well thats a good explanation however u gotta keep in mind that bleach is a manga, and all those characters u mentioned are part of that manga. ichigo is the main character in a shonen manga, of course he would be created like that, like all the others, who train and gain insane amounts of power. Like naruto in well naruto... the 4th who was considered a genius spend a lot of time mastering the rasengan and naruto learned it much much faster, not to mention that konohamaru learned it as well. that's just the way a shonen manga is.
Even if we do not consider this, u told some examples and u said that novice always excel in bleach but what about all the other shinigamis that are out there who do not appear in the manga? Its not like every single one of them is better than the other, there has to be different power levels, thats the way the manga works. I would agree with u if we took the bleach rp just like the manga, meaning that there are those who are "gifted" to say so however i only took bleach as the universe the rp was set, with no geniuses (unless they serve for a plot) only hard working members who train to be strong, not shonen characters but normal guys.
Anyways it seems like im trying defend my idea like this but i dont care, i just liked this discussion i had with neviux and was replying to that. If u guys wanna keep it like it is i dont mind at all, it was just a suggestion, i might even make a character, while waiting to rp my gantz characters.
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Post by Neviux on Jan 26, 2010 18:54:08 GMT -5
I never said that Novices always excel in Bleach. If that's all you got out of my explanation, or ,to be honest, if that's what you got of my explanation, you obviously missed my point. I said that there are cases of Novices excelling in Bleach. What you had said originally is
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Not sure why you brought up Naruto, cause this is Bleach Rp Discussion. Wouldn't it make much more sense to make a BLEACH based example of some sort rather than a Naruto based one?
Okay now onto the next matter, sure there are different Power Levels but we already have a system thats working just fine. Completely revamping it so that those who are more active and by effect have more time to do Rps to raise their level would only cause problems for those who have JOBS and SCHOOL and LIVES.
See what I'm getting at?
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Post by DawgX on Jan 26, 2010 20:07:12 GMT -5
Ok ok ok. Benry. Thanks for the suggestion. It WILL be considered but for now and in the long run we'll keep the Bleach rp like it is now.
I would absolutely love for you to join in.
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Post by βeηrγ on Jan 27, 2010 9:32:05 GMT -5
I never said that Novices always excel in Bleach. sorry but i'm not a big fan of the manga(yeah i like the universe and the concepts of shinigami and hollow but i dont like the way the manga is going) so i dont really remember much there, except the overall storyline, so i couldnt bring up an example from bleach cause i dont remember much. But its the same, naruto works the same way, they are both shonen manga. i must say i agree with u there but dont shout man! Anyways i say we drop this discussion, it doesnt really matter and it looks like i'm being a bitch by trying to force my idea, but i dont really care, i like the way the rp is even right now, just suggested smth and even if it got accepted or not i dont mind really. Dawg i'll definitely make a character
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Post by Neviux on Jan 27, 2010 15:22:20 GMT -5
Yep. I said all the time not always. All the time meaning that it is a common factor, not always. Had I wanted to say that Novices always excel in Bleach, I would say that. I didn't thus I don't see why you quoted me those two times.
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Post by DawgX on Jan 27, 2010 18:53:11 GMT -5
Nev its over. Seriously.
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