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Post by Renan on Nov 13, 2011 19:25:53 GMT -5
You make it seem as if this portion of the mission is unimportant, or not worth your attention, when it is very important. This portion of the mission will set the tone for the remainder of the mission, telling us who is friend or foe. How can you expect me to be an interested roleplayer when it feels as if I'm playing by myself and my actions don't matter until we teleport out. I mean this is the time where your veteran npcs should be explaining why we're here or conversing about the battle from log. Were aren't getting any of that, just a cock block from character development. Character Development in an RP? hahaha how cute Ronnie.
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Post by DawgX on Nov 13, 2011 19:26:05 GMT -5
You make it seem as if this portion of the mission is unimportant, or not worth your attention, when it is very important. This portion of the mission will set the tone for the remainder of the mission, telling us who is friend or foe. How can you expect me to be an interested roleplayer when it feels as if I'm playing by myself and my actions don't matter until we teleport out. I mean this is the time where your veteran npcs should be explaining why we're here or conversing about the battle from log. Were aren't getting any of that, just a cock block from character development. Actually no. Maybe my "NPCs" dont want to do that. Maybe they dont care about the others. Maybe I don't do things the same way as you. Maybe I just want to actually have fun when I roleplay Gantz. Well anyways, mission starts in a few days.
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Post by Жenophilius on Nov 13, 2011 19:29:39 GMT -5
You make it seem as if this portion of the mission is unimportant, or not worth your attention, when it is very important. This portion of the mission will set the tone for the remainder of the mission, telling us who is friend or foe. How can you expect me to be an interested roleplayer when it feels as if I'm playing by myself and my actions don't matter until we teleport out. I mean this is the time where your veteran npcs should be explaining why we're here or conversing about the battle from log. Were aren't getting any of that, just a cock block from character development. Actually no. Maybe my "NPCs" dont want to do that. Maybe they dont care about the others. Maybe I don't do things the same way as you. Maybe I just want to actually have fun when I roleplay Gantz. Well anyways, mission starts in a few days. We get that, everyone does stuff their own way, that's basic human nature, but you also have to realize your catering to a group of people that don't always share your ideas and views of what is "Fun".
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Post by Renan on Nov 13, 2011 19:32:26 GMT -5
Actually no. Maybe my "NPCs" dont want to do that. Maybe they dont care about the others. Maybe I don't do things the same way as you. Maybe I just want to actually have fun when I roleplay Gantz. Well anyways, mission starts in a few days. We get that, everyone does stuff their own way, that's basic human nature, but you also have to realize your catering to a group of people that don't always share your ideas and views of what is "Fun". He's the GM. What happens in Osaka is his call not yours. If you have a problem with it why not just quit or make your own Gantz RP site?
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Post by DawgX on Nov 13, 2011 19:36:23 GMT -5
Actually no. Maybe my "NPCs" dont want to do that. Maybe they dont care about the others. Maybe I don't do things the same way as you. Maybe I just want to actually have fun when I roleplay Gantz. Well anyways, mission starts in a few days. We get that, everyone does stuff their own way, that's basic human nature, but you also have to realize your catering to a group of people that don't always share your ideas and views of what is "Fun". So you Second Chances guys idea of fun is implementing that convoluted RP system? Sure I like the Suit idea but the rest is kinda meh. I read through it when I first joined (the stuff Ace stole) and I was like "its too much" so I did it my own way. No complaints from others until now. Kind of weird.
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Post by Жenophilius on Nov 13, 2011 19:38:29 GMT -5
We get that, everyone does stuff their own way, that's basic human nature, but you also have to realize your catering to a group of people that don't always share your ideas and views of what is "Fun". He's the GM. What happens in Osaka is his call not yours. If you have a problem with it why not just quit or make your own Gantz RP site? Okay seriously Ren don't use the old "If you don't like it then quit" schtick, I'm talking to Dawg about how he MODs, hence on the word TALKING. I'm not berating him and insulting him, so there's no reason for you to just say I should quit because I disagree with him on some points.
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Post by Renan on Nov 13, 2011 19:39:58 GMT -5
He's the GM. What happens in Osaka is his call not yours. If you have a problem with it why not just quit or make your own Gantz RP site? Okay seriously Ren don't use the old "If you don't like it then quit" schtick, I'm talking to Dawg about how he MODs, hence on the word TALKING. I'm not berating him and insulting him, so there's no reason for you to just say I should quit because I disagree with him on some points. Why not use it? It's a simple solution to all your problems. All you have to do is quit and these problems are gone. You're never going to change Dawg's modding style so why bother?
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Post by DawgX on Nov 13, 2011 19:42:23 GMT -5
Not trying to start a flame war guys. Direct everything at me please.
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Post by Жenophilius on Nov 13, 2011 19:43:52 GMT -5
Okay seriously Ren don't use the old "If you don't like it then quit" schtick, I'm talking to Dawg about how he MODs, hence on the word TALKING. I'm not berating him and insulting him, so there's no reason for you to just say I should quit because I disagree with him on some points. Why not use it? It's a simple solution to all your problems. All you have to do is quit and these problems are gone. You're never going to change Dawg's modding style so why bother? I'm not asking him to change his Modding style, I'm just saying that what me and Ronnie were used to is different from how it's done here. And quitting helps no one, this site has few people as it is. Plus I just got back, so you're stuck with me whether you like it or not.
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Post by ronnie on Nov 13, 2011 19:49:45 GMT -5
I never though it was a crime to offer suggestions. The first thing Dawgx asked, was my opinion on how he modded and he asked me to be honest and tell him what he could do to improve. If we can't help each other, and grow as a forum, I think it would be better to quit, because this site is doomed otherwise.
If Dawgx wants to do things his way, and not listen to his roleplayers suggestions, then he should be prepared to hear our opinions and be able to provide explanations as to why he's intentionally not trying to appease us.
However, this is the extreme version of the point I'm trying to make.
The point I'm trying to make is if we wanted to just post randomly without results to our posts in your updates we'd all just write fanfics. Hell, I'm writing one now. I want to roleplay, not write a story about a character I already know about. Neither do we want to god mod each other. Just be a mod and mod the outcomes, whether it be mid-mission or mid-briefing.
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Post by DawgX on Nov 13, 2011 19:53:05 GMT -5
I never though it was a crime to offer suggestions. The first thing Dawgx asked, was my opinion on how he modded and he asked me to be honest and tell him what he could do to improve. If we can't help each other, and grow as a forum, I think it would be better to quit, because this site is doomed otherwise. If Dawgx wants to do things his way, and not listen to his roleplayers suggestions, then he should be prepared to hear our opinions and be able to provide explanations as to why he's intentionally not trying to appease us. However, this is the extreme version of the point I'm trying to make. The point I'm trying to make is if we wanted to just post randomly without results to our posts in your updates we'd all just write fanfics. Hell, I'm writing one now. I want to roleplay, not write a story about a character I already know about. Neither do we want to god mod each other. Just be a mod and mod the outcomes, whether it be mid-mission or mid-briefing. Dont worry its going to get better.
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Post by ronnie on Nov 13, 2011 20:00:55 GMT -5
This isn't a flame war, it is a discussion. If you take offense, maybe it's guilt. Were trying to help you, because we obviously care. Anyone else would've just quit. No one is quitting. If anything, we're trying. We're trying to help you, but you aren't trying to listen it seems. Also, don't knock the mechanics just because it seems foreign to you. A lot of the stuff we did is. Tell me what's wrong about them and perhaps we as a site can agree on a way to mold them so they can be likable for everyone. I was never a stat guy myself, but I do understand that stats and numbers are sometimes unavoidable. Never would I place a stat on something that is unnecessary, and never would I introduce a stat for just the purpose of complicating things. A lot of things in Gantz are overpowered and need to be balanced out to improve roleplaying. It just so happens that the stats I came up with help balance that with easy math. Is this for every mod? No, but I don't see you coming up with any ideas to improve roleplay so that everyone can enjoy it. If I could state one issue this site has, it is lazyness as a whole. None wants to improve shit. It's as if we have this general consensus that this is how good this shit will ever be, and we're fine with it. Anyways, thanks Xeno, but as you can see this discussion is pointless, it's not as if improving the roleplay is important right? Let's just go spam in the general boards...
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Post by DawgX on Nov 13, 2011 20:07:18 GMT -5
If the majority have anymore suggestions, ill change. But if just one or two hates things as is, I cant just do a complete flip-turn on everyone else. But I can modify little by little until everyone is satisfied.
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Post by ronnie on Nov 13, 2011 20:15:51 GMT -5
lol, two people is pretty much 1 third of your Project. If I'm not mistaken, this is pretty much the same in each project. But we aren't asking you to do a complete turn around, instantaniously. It does take time, but you refer to posting updates for actions in briefings as if it is actually going to hurt the project. Almost as if there is a rush to get out and hunt aliens...We just fought aliens in LOG. Let us have some down time to develop or characters and get to know who your npcs are. Even if they're anti social, they're almost nonexistent if they don't even blink with all the shit going on. I'm sure no one is THAT eager to get teleported out to do the same shit they just did in LOG. Just saying...
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Post by DawgX on Nov 13, 2011 20:17:59 GMT -5
Thx. Ill take that into account.
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