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Post by Kamina on Apr 7, 2010 20:27:25 GMT -5
My vote goes to Izumi when he started out. He had that maniacal evil genius role down pact. Killing a bunch of innocent people and kidnapping the girl and forcing the hero Kurono to try and stop him.
Both Izumi and Hikawa turned good eventually. But who do you think was a better bad guy?
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Post by Fay on Apr 21, 2010 20:42:40 GMT -5
Well, they are both not your traditional villain. Though I think Izumi even more so than Hikawa. This is because Hikawa was clearly against Gantz (making him a default antagonist). While Izumi actually wanted to be a Gantz participant.
But what I like about them (and pretty much all the characters in Gantz) is that there's no clear-cut good and evil. The author isn't sitting here trying to shove predetermined sets of good and evil characters down our throats.
Anyway, I say Izumi. Because he's done more bad ass things, and is proGantz. He loves the rush of fighting, and that's pretty much all he cares about. Plus at the end of his ropes, he realized the beauty of his girlfriend, which was an awesome display of change when about to die. Rather than panicking or pussing out.
So yeah, Izumi.
More character development, better feats, etc.
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Post by Renan on Apr 21, 2010 22:52:03 GMT -5
There may not be clear cut evil, but you can sure as hell tell who the good guys are...
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Post by Haloninjaman808 on Apr 23, 2010 1:45:07 GMT -5
There may not be clear cut evil, but you can sure as hell tell who the good guys are... ditto.
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Post by Fay on Apr 23, 2010 19:51:01 GMT -5
There may not be clear cut evil, but you can sure as hell tell who the good guys are... Could you elaborate a bit on that? Because "good" guys and "bad" guys are vague terms. Our main protagonists are sent out to kill aliens that may or may not be innocent, only for their own survival. Gantz itself seems like a cruel, sadistic and even selfish game. Our main protagonists aren't your traditional good guys, and sometimes I'm even rooting for an alien or two. Obviously your main protagonist is clear-cut, but that's how it is in pretty much any manga. Just because they are a protagonist, however, doesn't mean they are suddenly the "good guys." Heck, even right now they were just killing innocent aliens and babies. Granted, their race is being attacked, but just killing alien citizens because of that is not your traditional good guy behavior. If anything, it's more like soldiers in a war. And with war there is no good or evil. Just perspectives and sides. I'm not sure about you, but I certainly do not think Oku is trying to portray our protagonists or at least shove them down our throats as just plain old "good guys." Quite the opposite in fact. I think one of the most beautiful things about Gantz was how the aliens weren't all just evil "rawr, rawr rawr-kill anything-that moves-types." And if they were, it was probably only because the Gantz participants made them that way to begin with. I.E Oni's.
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Post by Renan on Apr 24, 2010 17:33:33 GMT -5
Ypu're so fucking stupid I don't even know where to begin. First of all it's made very clear that Team Tokyo is the good guiz. Kurono - Typical protagonist now, has little to no personality, just wants to keep his friends alive and protect his world Kato - He looks like he was taken out of a Shonen Sakurai - See Kato Kaze - See Kato Takeshi - He's like 2, he's the purest of all the gantzers. Reika - Eh...I'll give you her Nishi - Yeah, he's bad.
Also somethign that bugged me. I never said that a protagonist had to be a good guy, stop pulling things out of your ass and stop dwelling too fucking deep into things. This is Gantz, there's no inner meaning. It's just a bunch of faggots fighting other faggots to get back to their no homo lives. Our faggots just happen to be the good faggots.
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Post by Fay on Apr 24, 2010 20:56:39 GMT -5
You're so fucking stupid I don't even know where to begin. That's why you nominated me for the smartest, huh? Ha ha. First of all it's made very clear that Team Tokyo is the good guiz. Once again, you're being vague. I asked you to elaborate on your meaning of "good guys." Kurono - Typical protagonist now, has little to no personality, just wants to keep his friends alive and protect his world The only reason he cares about his world is because without it, he wouldn't be alive.Also, what's so "good guy" about wanting to save your friends? Evil people can have friends, too. They could also want to save those said friends. =/ And Kurono was a diamond in the rough. In the beginning he was selfish, and a douche. You can't just discard that part of his personality. The fact that he started out that way furthers the notion that he wasn't trying to be shoved down out throats as a "good guy." Kato - He looks like he was taken out of a Shonen That's why he constantly struggles with the selfishness inside of him? He's much more real than your average Shonen character. And once again, he's willing (now) to kill aliens to survive. Remember during the Italy mission? He would have cut that statue with the sword had it not failed. Sakurai's killed aliens for his own survival. He also started out by killing bullies. He's not your typical good guy. Not even close. He, too, kills aliens for his own survival. And he barely showed any care when things happened. His only care now is Takeshi. And that doesn't make him a good guy. Good or not, you can bond to a person. Takeshi - He's like 2, he's the purest of all the gantzers. Small kids like that have no morality. In fact, the only thing they react to is punishment and rewards. He'll only care if Kaze cares. Also somethign that bugged me. I never said that a protagonist had to be a good guy, stop pulling things out of your ass I know that, I was just stating just in case. and stop dwelling too fucking deep into things. This is Gantz, there's no inner meaning. You don't have to dwell too deep to see good and evil isn't something that's blatantly thrown or attributed to all the characters. It's pretty obvious, in fact that such terms aren't attributed to the characters easily. And Gantz is decently deep, whether you like it or not. It's just a bunch of faggots fighting other faggots to get back to their no homo lives. Our faggots just happen to be the good faggots. Right...so what makes it so that the other faggs aren't good? Or that ours aren't bad? Yeah, our faggs are the good guys in this situation. Despite the fact that our faggs are the main ones being sent out to kill them, even though the other faggs generally aren't harming anyone, right? Makes perfect sense./Sarcasm However, when I look at the Gantz participants unbiasedly, on average, they are amoral at the most; they are simply doing what they must to survive.
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Post by Oka Ace on Apr 25, 2010 3:40:00 GMT -5
To answer the topic. I have to say Hikawa because he was the kingpin of the Gantz world and had many people working under him like a mob boss. Fanboyism aside Izumi was great too. He played the part of the Vegeta of Gantz.
Thats a good point and I see that everytime I re-read Gantz. All the aliens mind thier own business and the ones that talk ask the Gantzers "WHY" why are you doing this to us?
I mean Onion adult just went to the store to grab some onions for his child. Tanakas were just watching TV and going out to the store aswell. The buhhda boss asked Katou why he kiled his friends. Chibi aliens also only went after kurono after he killed one of thier own. While the first chibi only wanted to test Kuronos streingth.
Oku doesn't want the aliens to be the bad guys or the Gantzers to be the good guys. He wants us to see both sides, but he knows how creatures and humans react if thier forced to do battle. which Gantz is all about.
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Post by Fay on Apr 25, 2010 11:59:14 GMT -5
While the first chibi only wanted to test Kuronos streingth. Or maybe the Chibi was just warning him not to fuck with him? He technically was in his territory. And it was only till Kurono pointed the gun at him that he started moving in for the attack. But yeah, I agree with almost everything you said.
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Post by Haloninjaman808 on Apr 28, 2010 2:52:46 GMT -5
I am just gonna say that no one is good or bad. Instead its "The Badass", "The Sadass", and "The Dead". 90 percent of everyone here is in the last category.
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